In this episode of Re:Thinking with Adam Grant, Adam speaks with Ginni Rometty, the former CEO at IBM. They discuss cultivating and harnessing influence, leading change through highlighting what will stay the same, and her cautious optimism about the future of AI.

Adam Grant is an organizational psychologist who studies work motivation, job design, and prosocial and proactive behaviors. His research examines the forces that motivate employees to help others, and the implications of these behaviors for success and well-being. Although many employees do work that has a meaningful impact on others, all too often, they lack a vivid understanding of how their efforts make a difference. Grant’s studies demonstrate that employees work harder, smarter, longer, more generously, and more productively when they can see how their work affects others. He is the author, most recently, of Think Again among others.

Ginni Rometty retired from the President and Chief Executive Officer roles at IBM on April 6, 2020 and as Executive Chairman of the Board on December 31, 2020. She had been the Chairman, President and Chief Executive Officer of IBM since 2012. Rometty is a member of the Business Roundtable, Council on Foreign Relations, Peterson Institute for International Economics. She is also a Trustee of Northwestern University and on the Board of Overseers and Managers of the Memorial Sloan-Kettering Cancer Center. She is also a former member of the President’s Export Council. Rometty is the author of Good Power: Leading Positive Change in Our Lives, Work, and World.